They Think I Have Bi-Polar Disorder. I'm Pretty Scared.

Submitted by Resolution on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 2:55pm.

It's been a long, hard road, and I don't know how to fix THIS.

I saw the psychologist...she thinks I may have bi-polar disorder.

Why?

Here are some symptoms I am having:

1) Massive fluctuations in my mood. Since I am pregnant, I question this. Aren't there ALWAYS massive fluctuations in mood while pregnant? However, I HAVE been getting really angry really quickly. I'll cry constantly depending on the day...

2) No sleep. Not because I am uncomfortable with the baby necessarily...I just keep having anxiety attacks when I try and sleep. I'll feel like there's things that CANNOT WAIT. I've been having odd fears that I will die...? Strange things that aren't normal for me at all.

3) When I'm not super-irritated or aggrevated...I am depressed. To the point where I am not functioning at home...not cleaning, listless, not wanting to do anything...not interacting with my children like I should...

4) Bi-polar disorder runs in my family. My dad has it.

I'm scared. I don't know where to research at this point. I think that I am so frightened by the diagnosis itself and by what it means: medication for the rest of my life, constant doctors appointments, the strain that puts on the family, etc.

I think that her saying it makes sense in certain ways. I don't know if I want to take this diagnosis while I am pregnant. What if she's wrong and I medicate the wrong thing?

There's 6 weeks to go in the pregnancy, because I am having my c/s the first week in August. Should I wait that long?

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Submitted by globalmama on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 8:02am.

and i am an doctor. it is very hard to diagnose bipolar if you haven't had a true manic episode, which it doesn't sound like you have had. i think getting plugged in with a psychiatrist now might not be a bad idea. for me my emotions got more out of wack for a little while after the baby. hope you feel better soon.

Submitted by Strange Quark on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:35pm.

but I'd go see a Chinese medicine doctor.
What you're describing here looks to me like there is a problem with your triple warmer. Symptoms of this include depression (especially manic), a feeling of stuckness that can result in angry outbursts, often headaches that seem to be more towards the side of the forehead or by the ears...sometimes even migraines on the side, being totally riled up to the point that it is hard to sleep, and often a fear of death.
The triple warmer is one of the gateways to the heart, in CM, and is a fire organ. There are lots of massage techniques that can help relieve this, as well as acupuncture and moxibustion that can be done. I hope that there is somebody who works near you, because if this is the problem, it is really not hard to rebalance, and the treatment is very relaxing and enjoyable.
The triple heater governs the time from 9pm to 11pm, and often, the symptoms I described above could get worse at this time. Also, there can be issues with the Chinese Liver organ -- called "liver wind" that add to these symptoms. If that's the case, a person will usually wake in the middle of the night (usually around 2 or 3am) and can have restlessness and insomnia all around.

I hope this gets better soon, and sorry I can't do more...

"Fundamentally the markswoman aims at herself" DT Suzuki

Submitted by thatmama on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 6:36am.

Resolution, not to hijack but I have been following this post closely because your symptoms resonated so strongly with me.

SQ -- you have pretty much convinced me to go back and find someone who practices TCM (I've had a few weird experiences that, while I have a lot of belief in the process/practice, have made me wary of the practitioners).

Submitted by Strange Quark on Wed, 06/18/2008 - 3:53pm.

With a Chinese med. doc, just like any other doctor, it's best to find a referral.
I made the mistake of thinking that just because somebody had gone to midwifery school, or acupuncture school, that made them a great person, who was wonderful at their job. Eight midwives later, I found the one I wanted -- and because I'm in school for this medicine, I have 6 Chinese med docs that I see, and they all practice VERY differently, in ways that would resonate differently with different people. And these are the good ones.
There are people in school for TCM that are there because the school was close to their house, or it just 'sounded good,' or because of the small amount of prestige that comes with it -- just like at any other medical school, so you have to be careful who you give your money to.

What's unfortunate is that while I live in a place where there is literally an acupuncturist on every corner (we laugh because there are more acupuncturists than Starbucks in Portland), most places in the US have very few, if any, and you often have to settle for somebody, and hope that they are good.
But, really, that's the same deal with any practitioner, and in my experience, I've found that it's statistically easier to find a good natural doc, than it is to find a good MD. (No offense to the MDs out there -- I know the one's hanging out on this site are more open-minded and awesome than the pool.)

Wishing you luck!
"Fundamentally the markswoman aims at herself" DT Suzuki

Submitted by turtle on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 9:09pm.

And from a psychiatrist. And even then...not to bash doctors but they do tend to want to prescribe meds. You have to weigh the benefits of the meds with any harmful effects for the baby. If you are really sick, well then, the benefits may outweigh the bad stuff.

It seems to me-- a a very lay person -- that this is not bipolar, but depression with anxiety (that's the way my on-again off-again depression expresses itself so it's possible I just see me in you, know what I mean? So grain of salt). An ex-girlfriend of mine used to do drug trials in people with bipolar disorder-- and the manic episodes that people with bipolar disorder can be quite severe- deciding to re-wire the whole house and then doing it, despite no electrical experience, staying up all day and night for days on end... Now there may be a continuum of severity for this condition and maybe you have a mild form, and maybe it's triggered by pregnancy. But you may not have it, the family history may be a red herring...talk to another doctor.

Sending you vibes and hugs!!!

Submitted by thatmama on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 7:46pm.

while I don't have a lot to add to the discussion in the way of insight, etc, I do want to say that I am thinking of you and sending you some love and support.

this sounds so much like what I was (and still am to a lesser extent) going through in post-partum depression. One thing I will say is that while I am no doctor, I would get a second opinion before beginning psych meds while pregnant, but this is just me...and I am one of those people who tends to be really (too?) careful about taking prescription drugs of any kind.

Submitted by BeforeDreaming on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:12pm.

I have to agree with what all of these sage womyn have posted here. Bipolar is the new black these days. I'm not trying to sound glib, but I've seen a number of my friends struggle with it, and I've also seen a few misdiagnosed and improperly medicated.
While I occasionally suffer with depression, I think I felt pretty "bipolar-ish" during my pregnancy. Aren't mood swings and depression kind of par for the course?
Definitely see another expert and get a second opinion.
I can't say enough about the Omega 3's.
Take care and keep posting!

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Submitted by lapina on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 6:03pm.

But my opinion is that it sounds pretty normal. I agree with the other mamas. If you have not had a mania episode, a diagnosis of bipolar based on family history is a little weak.

Take care of yourself, call in anyone who can support you, eat and hydrate well, avoid caffeine, SLEEP, try yoga, relax...this is preliminary, it doesn't mean you will be on lithium the rest of your life!

Seriously, bipolar disorder is bandied about so much today, one wonders if we don't all have it! Then what is the norm exactly?

Keep talking to the doc, keep an eye out for thoughts about harming yourself or others and enjoy the last few weeks mamacita!

Submitted by expat mama on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 5:22pm.

you are pregnant with 'high-risk' issues, right? Don't you also have a few kidos already? Sure, maybe you are depressed...I think it is not so abnormal. Maybe find a Psychiatrist, not a psychologist.

Vibes.

Submitted by freakinchillmom on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 4:20pm.

Bipolar disorder is usually diagnosed after an episode of mania- if you've ever had a period of time in your life where you've been so "high" that you've been very impulsive with, for example, spending (going through your whole bank account, buying storefuls of clothes, gambling away more money than you have), sex (promiscuous, impulsive, sex with strangers), crime (brazenly shoplifting or outrunning the cops because you think you're invincible), or some other very risky, outrageous behavior. The definition of bipolar disorder requires this "high" (i.e. the one pole, with the other pole being depression). The high lasts at least a few days, the lows last at least a few days (the lows often last much longer).
I've heard bipolar thrown around a lot for severe mood swings or anger, but that's not the technical definition.
There's a personality type called "bipolar" or "hypomania" which is characterized more by mood swings, often quickly changing and unpredictable. This is not treated with medications generally, unless it's a feature of depression, which it sounds like yours may be. Medications for depression can sometimes precipitate a manic episode. Recent evidence has shown no advantage over placebo for SSRIs (prozac, zoloft, etc) for depression, and talk therapy is really the only mainstream therapy that has been shown to be effective.
Hang in there, I'm glad you're talking to people about this.

Submitted by thatmama on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 7:41pm.

do you know of any that have been successful in treating severe depression or mood swings? thanks --

Submitted by freakinchillmom on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 8:53pm.

Mostly dietary things (I echo the Omega-3s, but also looking at an "anti-inflammatory diet" overall- i.e. not typical American diet)

This integrative health website that some of my colleagues have developed has way more info than I could ever hope to be an expert on.

http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/integrative/modules/depression

See the links on the side for specific topics- there's a podcast there, too, by one of my favorite docs of all time.

Submitted by vkitty17 on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 4:51pm.

...yeah. That's what I was thinkin' too, but you said it way better than I could have!
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DR.MCCOY: Spock, you are the most cold-blooded man I've ever met.
SPOCK: Why, thank you Doctor.

Submitted by sunflower on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 3:35pm.

for bipolar disorder, depending on if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or none of the above, and depending on how you respond to them. You may just be symptomatic because of the pregnancy. I don't know what the full criteria for a diagnosis is. You do seem to have severe symptoms, and you should definitely be under some sort of treatment plan, if it includes meds or not. Counseling and keeping people around you and in touch with you would be a good idea, too.

Did you look into the omega fatty acids?

Sunflower the unflower

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Submitted by vkitty17 on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 3:32pm.

Ask yourself these two questions:
1. Do I feel so out of control that I might hurt myself?
2. Do I feel so out of control that I might hurt someone else, or the baby?

If your answer is 'yes' to either of them, do what the doctor says. If the answer is 'no' to both of them, I'd wait until after the baby is born and any post-partum depression subsides.

I am not, repeat, NOT, a psychologist! This is just an opinion! But I offer this opinion because I was MIS-diagnosed with bi-polar once. I was put on med after med, including lithium, which gave my baby a heart murmur. I never once considered suicide until I was placed on meds. And it's all because they said I was bi-polar when I was not. It was post traumatic stress from abuse as a child.

To me, it sounds like your symptoms coincide with just being pregnant. Pregnant ladies are CrAzY! Now, I don't know you, and I don't know what you're like on the other side of that computer screen. But I'd be wary of taking meds while pregnant, and I am always skeptical about any bi-polar diagnosis because of what happened to me.

Hang in there, mama! I'm sure you'll get it figured out! Maybe you could find a psycologist who doesn't prescribe meds? I dunno, like I said, this is all a lay-person's opinion.

Sending good, cheerful vibes your way in hopes that you can work it out!

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DR.MCCOY: Spock, you are the most cold-blooded man I've ever met.
SPOCK: Why, thank you Doctor.

Submitted by vkitty17 on Tue, 06/17/2008 - 3:33pm.

I also wanted to give you a hug and tell you everything's gonna be alright! ((HUG)) And a lollipop. I want you to have a lollipop. ((CYBERPOP))
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DR.MCCOY: Spock, you are the most cold-blooded man I've ever met.
SPOCK: Why, thank you Doctor.

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