this is so incredibly interesting. the maker of this video asks protesters outside abortion clinics whether abortion should be legal or illegal, and of course they say illegal, because it is murder, killing. then he asks, well what should the punishment be? the same as for murder? needless to say they had nothing to say.
you gotta watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo
i know that i work in an abortion clinic, so i am biased, but i deal with our protesters as little as possible. but i think this little video is awesome without being inflammatory...and is very thought provoking. if it is murder, why would they not automatically suggest penalizing a woman who has an abortion as a murderer?
i think that there is a pathology, a mental illness, involved with these protesters. not that people who oppose abortion for themselves are necessarily mentally ill, but these protesters absolutely are. the preoccupation with the unborn, the bizarre inability to process their beliefs all the way through (as demonstrated in this video)...they are so delusional, bit we tolerate them and their christian bullshit just like we tolerate all the other hate filled judgmental christian bullshit...why don't we call them on it? one of the doctors i work with was saying that if they defeat us, if they win, it will be because they are undivided as only brainwashed soldiers can be, whereas we aren't zealous enough, and we draw lines. like, well, you can have one or two, but you "shouldn't" have 7, and the ridiculous lines between weeks...i hear it all day, like, 8 weeks isn't as "bad" as 14. what? man it wears me out.
any thoughts?
Comments
we are in face in agreement
i don't believe any of us are right, but i guess i am a hypocrite, cause i do think some of us are wrong...like the lazy, stupid people that elected him, and the asshole himself, and yes, i think that there is an environment now that conservative=good and right, and liberal=amoral and bad, and that is a stupid and lazy assumption that most people are making.
and i don't want to believe polls, they scare me.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
*amen* or er.. whatever
*amen* or er.. whatever :)
i know it, it sucks
if i ever have money to donate, one of these funds will get it. i do the five dollar a month level now...
check it out...
http://www.teafund.org/donate.html
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
You are...
not there (Darfur, Bosnia, Rwanda etc.) I am not there, Ericka is not there, Etta and Punkmama aren't there but Catholic Relief services and other "evil" christian organizations were and are there....Hmmmm....
yes I know the pope was complicit during the holocaust.
I am just finding some interesting ironies within this discussion...
I always get a little nervous when things are laid out in black and white as it seems to obscure the real questions, issues and creates percieved deep divides where non actually exist. I see many times in these "passionate" threads that people are in violent agreement and don't realize it.
I can understand the pro-life position
I can understand the pro-choice position
I can undertand religous faith
I can understand atheism
I just can't understand seeing any of these positions in black and white.
The heart has its reasons whereof Reason knows nothing.
- Blaise Pascal
yeah, they are there
handing out clean water with scripture. just like the homeless shelters here will give you a roll out on the floor as long as you take your hat off and go to church. no points there, sorry.
you are right in that nothing is black and white. if you can understand all of these disparate positions, i would imagine you have little conviction of your own. i never claimed to be a crusader, so you can leave my name off of your irony list.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
this is actually a reply for ascedarleaf-
but her reply button only links me to those effen lillypie tickers.
so ascedarleaf, actually i *was* there, in bosnia and kosovo. but that wasn't my point. ericka was saying (pardon me while i paraphrase) that if the holocaust were happening now she'd be there doing something about it, which is how the abortion protesters probably see it. and i'm just saying hey now, don't mince words. the hoocaust IS happening right the fuck now, just not against jews in europe, and are you doing anything about it? you're right, AL, it's not just her. the whole fucking world, with the exception of a rare few, are doing exactly nothing about it—just as they did when the jews were being gassed. all i'm saying is don't be claiming you would have done someting like save the jews for arguments sake when you actually could be doing that very something today...and you're not. it's obscene to pull a statement like that out of your ass.
Maybe beside the point but I
Maybe beside the point but I happen to know that Ms. Crockmama DID go to Bosnia.
Oops, posted this at the
Oops, posted this at the same time you were posting the same information!
Sorry about...
the obnoxious ticker link...
yes I realize why you were offended and I can certainly understand. I was just struck with all the layers this thread has brought up and my knowledge of the relief work that has gone on in those locations...and the fact that during the WWII holocaust the catholic church was straight up evil in their complicity but I also know of amazing people (christian and otherwise) trying to help now...it's the whole black and white thing. I certainly appreciate your objection to pulling overarching statements out of your ass...
The heart has its reasons whereof Reason knows nothing.
- Blaise Pascal
Okay...
I just thought I would try to join the discussion...thanks for sharing your POV.
The heart has its reasons whereof Reason knows nothing.
- Blaise Pascal
Pages