this is so incredibly interesting. the maker of this video asks protesters outside abortion clinics whether abortion should be legal or illegal, and of course they say illegal, because it is murder, killing. then he asks, well what should the punishment be? the same as for murder? needless to say they had nothing to say.
you gotta watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo
i know that i work in an abortion clinic, so i am biased, but i deal with our protesters as little as possible. but i think this little video is awesome without being inflammatory...and is very thought provoking. if it is murder, why would they not automatically suggest penalizing a woman who has an abortion as a murderer?
i think that there is a pathology, a mental illness, involved with these protesters. not that people who oppose abortion for themselves are necessarily mentally ill, but these protesters absolutely are. the preoccupation with the unborn, the bizarre inability to process their beliefs all the way through (as demonstrated in this video)...they are so delusional, bit we tolerate them and their christian bullshit just like we tolerate all the other hate filled judgmental christian bullshit...why don't we call them on it? one of the doctors i work with was saying that if they defeat us, if they win, it will be because they are undivided as only brainwashed soldiers can be, whereas we aren't zealous enough, and we draw lines. like, well, you can have one or two, but you "shouldn't" have 7, and the ridiculous lines between weeks...i hear it all day, like, 8 weeks isn't as "bad" as 14. what? man it wears me out.
any thoughts?
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exactly.
so the question for me becomes, why the fuck are you standing outside this clinic judging the fuck outta them?
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
keep the hope for both of us
cause i am not sure i have much left...
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
yes!
what better proof of the hypocrisy and narcissism of their beliefs than the inability to stand by them to the logical end? i am as liberal as they get and if a person is convicted of murder, even i think they may require more of a punishment than counseling. unless i am well paid to do that counseling in prison. har har.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
not unwelcome
but it is christian. it is king james bible christ the lord and savior christian. no two ways about it. i know that there are those, like you, that take the follower of christ label and tweak it and turn it around to be peaceful and accepting of all people. but that to me is like spinning white power into racial pride. it just doesn't wash. religion, and christianity in particular, is responsible for more pain, group and individual, than any other force on the earth. if it helps you, that is fine. but it doesn't make it harmless and good.
and i am not trying to be a pain in the ass, but there is no talking (in a neutral and rational way)to zealots, whether you keep a verbal peacefulness or not. they are insane and it is hateful to stand outside a clinic and judge people using your religion as justification. and when that religion officially commiserates on paper, i think the hatefulness extends to it.
i am trying to fuel the fire. i think that these people need to be stopped. not by removing their right to protest, but by asking them hard questions that they can't answer and shaming them off the curb and back into the churches where they can pray, but not cause pain.
but i understand that you don't agree.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
perhaps
but saying something people don't want to hear is not necessarily mudslinging. and the polls and votes do not concur that most people are moderates. most people right now are actually conservative and pretty fundamentalist.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
FYI, i hear you, i really do.
at our clinic we regularly give hardship discounts and work with a group that privately raises funds to contribute to women having trouble paying for their abortions, but it is an elective procedure as far as the laws are concerned and therefore "unnecessary", making it a private pay issue for providers. so instead of coming down on the abortion providers for not being pro bono, let's come down on medicaid, who will pay upwards of 50,000 for a pregnancy but not 375 for an abortion. if that isn't institutionalized misogyny sprouting from christianity and puritanism, i don't know what is.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
"if there were Jews being held in concentration camps today
being ready to be gassed, why I'd be the first person there."
really? would you? you'd be there, protesting at auschwitz? or enlisting in the army? or what exactly do you mean when you claim you'd be the first person there? sorry to hijack the thread, but this statement really upsets me, in the context of this discussion of the motive of abortion protesters, and beyond. you aren't the first person i've heard say this, btw. but as you said it, i have to ask - are you there, in darfur, right now, where genocide is happening now -as in, right the fuck now? did you haul your ass to rwanda when news broke of the genocidal slaughter over there? what about kosovo? bosnia? did you sign up for a humanitarian mission to deliver food and relief for the bosniaks lucky enough to escape the ethnic cleansing campaign waged against them? i'm guessing probably not, and i'm guesing it was not because these victims aren't jews, or that you didn't give a shit about their welfare, but because you were most-likely occupied by your own day-to-day and didn't/don't have the time/resources to be "the first person there." or maybe it is because these victims aren't jews—i've actually heard people say that, too. just please, think about the weight of tossing around statements like this one, for just a second. and please, forgive my hjack.
/rant.
forgiven!
and, uh, impressed.
"If moderation is a fault, then indifference is a crime."-Jack Kerouac
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
I agree with you on that
I do think we need to be vocal in our beliefs. I am just usually stuck on figuring out who is "right" (I have come to my own conclusion that none of us are).
Maybe you believe polls, but there is no statistic in this universe that can't be twisted to fit the right vision. If polls were true, Bush wouldn't be president, and it has been seven long years...
I think most people are lazy and stupid, if that translates to conservative and fundamentalist then we agree on that.
We could have saved the Earth but we were too damned cheap.~K.V.
good for your clinic, there
good for your clinic, there should be more resources for women that lack the funds. Its just always such a horrible predicament, and impossible for some to get out of. They need another two weeks of paychesks to afford it, and then it jumps up another seventy five bucks. Bah...
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